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Author	& Topic: & & Sequels: 22 Do's and Don'ts: Do: Consider switching up directors& &
& & Nevermind & & & & & & Title: Manager: The Amphitheatre & & & & & Registered: & Oct '01 & & & & & &	& & & Date Posted: & 1/28 8:39am & & & Subject: & Sequels: 22 Do's and Don'ts: Do: Eliminate the lame characters& & & & &
	& & Don't: Overload on continuity "The second and third Pirates of the Caribbean movies had a unique problem: They suffered from too much continuity, bringing back basically every character from the first film and incorporating all sorts of nonsensical background mythology. (Remember the voodoo priestess who turned out to be a goddess imprisoned on earth by the Pirate Lords?) Johnny Depp recently admitted to EW that the filmmakers ''had to invent a trilogy out of nowhere.'' Well, they didn't have to..." See Also: Terminator: Salvation (which featured assorted CliffsNotes-worthy explanations of the series' time-traveling curlicues) and Quantum of Solace (which stranded Bond in a post-Casino Royale depressive funk) & & & & & & & &
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	& & I still say that continuity overload was what made those movies great for me, but then again mythology is what I look forward to in fantasy and sci-fi. At the moment I'm watching Lost, and couldn't care less about some main characters, but what a continuity it has. And I'm pretty sure James Luceno would say that overload continuity is a Do & & & & -----signature-----& & & "You have to tolerate other's opinion. Fighting will not change it" Qui-Gon Jinn "We speak of the Will of the Force as someone ignorant of gravity might say it's the will of the river to flow to the ocean" Obi-Wan Kenobi, ROTS novelization & & &
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	& & Yeah, I don't necessarily see how this is a problem so long as it's put together decently. For comics or a book series with multiple authors over decades, sure, because stuff is going to get contradictory very easily, but a film series (typically) has a single set of people working on it and frequently the same writer & director from film to film, which makes continuity hassles less of a big deal so long as the writer can keep it all straight through a compendium or whatever. Plus, as the person above me said, there's a few book authors who just pull continuity together like they're a black hole of facts and the effect can be amazing. & & & & -----signature-----& & & Alien, or There And Back Again: A Robot's Tale -my wife & & &
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	& & I'd rather a movie series put effort into continuity and try to tie up all the loose ends and make sure they fit. It works better than throwing continuity out of the window the way the Star Wars Prequels did. & & & & -----signature-----& & & &
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	& & Doubling down on the already horrendous Keria Knightly and Orlando Bloom subplot killed the Pirates Of The Caribean trilogy, which i totally agree didnt even need to me made in the first place. However I love Johnny Depp and i'm glad he's now a trememdously wealthy man instead of just a rich one lol. & & & & -----signature-----& " Bring the sled " - Al Swearengen " Dying all the time. Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind. Aint life unkind? " - The Rolling Stones & & &
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	& & Do: Consider a change in scenery "On television, sending your cast on vacation is a hoary cliché. (''The Simpsons are going to Delaware!'') But a location shift can reinvigorate a franchise. Just look at the first part of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, which leaves Hogwarts behind for a tense traveling plotline that plays out like a road movie from hell." See Also: Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, Fast Five, the underrated French Connection 2, Babe: Pig in the City Who liked that road trip? Not I. & & & & & & & &
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	& & I did. HP 7 did a very creditable job of taking what (to me, at least) was a fairly light-hearted children's story and pushing off in a whole different direction altogether. Main thing I disliked about 6 & 7 was the silly Nazi-shouting about Voldemort and his group. Dressing your villains like Nazis, and maybe borrowing a few terms people associate with them, is fine; out & out aping everything they did damages a villain's credibility. We know they're the bad guys; we don't need it enforced by relentlessly aping real-life bad guys. & & & & -----signature-----& & & Alien, or There And Back Again: A Robot's Tale -my wife & & &
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	& & Jumping back to the last one, throw me in the column who loved the continuity for the Pirates movies. In fact, i thought that was one of their biggest and most impressive strengths, taking all these throwaway lines from the first film (East India Trading Company, cannibals, heathen gods, Davey Jones' Locker, etc) to make the sequels feel like a natural extension of the first film's world rather than something separate that just happens to have the same characters (which is even worse when Movies 2 & 3 connect heavily, making Movie 1 seem even less connected as a result). & & & & -----signature-----& & & "Let's see what we can do to physics today, hm?" K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..." & & &
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	& & Do: Make your characters more troubled "In the first Terminator, Sarah Connor is a sweet Everygal who finds herself caught up in a terrifying assassination plot she can barely understand. For Terminator 2, writer-director James Cameron transformed Sarah into an unhinged, pumped-up paranoiac. That's the Sarah Connor that people remember. See Also: The rebels-on-the-run in The Empire Strikes Back and the fearful and forgotten playthings of Toy Story 3." & & & & & & & &
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	& & Wow, this list is slipping into the pedantic. "Make your characters more troubled"? That's fiction - and screenwriting - 101. The characters should always be heavily troubled no matter what "episode" they're in. That's basic drama, in all media too, books, TV and movies. & & & & -----signature-----& & & My favorite quote from David Lean...... "I wouldn't take the advice of a film critic on how to shoot a close up of a tea pot." & & &
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	& & Don't: Forget that villains are supposed to be villainous "Gordon Gekko was one of the great onscreen villains of the '80s, representing all the addictive vice and greed of the era's heartless corporate raiders. Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps unforgivably softens Gekko, focusing most of its second half on his reconnection with his daughter (a character who was barely mentioned in the first Wall Street). See Also: Anthony Hopkins' slightly-more-lovable psychopath in Hannibal, Al Pacino's boringly-more-apologetic patriarch in The Godfather Part III." Is Michael supposed to be a villain? Anti-hero, perhaps. And what about Vader? He's more interesting when we realize who he is. & & & & & & & &
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	& & The2ndQuest posted: Jumping back to the last one, throw me in the column who loved the continuity for the Pirates movies. In fact, i thought that was one of their biggest and most impressive strengths, taking all these throwaway lines from the first film (East India Trading Company, cannibals, heathen gods, Davey Jones' Locker, etc) to make the sequels feel like a natural extension of the first film's world rather than something separate that just happens to have the same characters (which is even worse when Movies 2 & 3 connect heavily, making Movie 1 seem even less connected as a result). I definitely appreciate that to a point, but I think part of the problem with the Pirates sequels was an over-reliance on dredging up lines and bits from the first. I liked the ambiguity of what exactly was going on in the "They made me their chief" story (including its veracity). I liked the idea that Jack was just the kind of guy who's cruising around with a non-functioning compass. When you go about adding extra continuity to a framework that wasn't originally intended to support it, you run the risk of over-explaining and ruining the mystery of the original's references. Less is more, but a sequel is by definition (and necessity?) the opposite of less. It's a tough nut to crack as a writer. & & & & -----signature-----& Politics! In! Space! http://telecomadvisors.biz/boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/31700124/p1/?3 * "Everybody knows that pie is the finest ghost-inducing diet in the world" -The New York Times & & &
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	& & Nevermind posted: Don't: Forget that villains are supposed to be villainous "Gordon Gekko was one of the great onscreen villains of the '80s, representing all the addictive vice and greed of the era's heartless corporate raiders. Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps unforgivably softens Gekko, focusing most of its second half on his reconnection with his daughter (a character who was barely mentioned in the first Wall Street). See Also: Anthony Hopkins' slightly-more-lovable psychopath in Hannibal, Al Pacino's boringly-more-apologetic patriarch in The Godfather Part III." Is Michael supposed to be a villain? Anti-hero, perhaps. And what about Vader? He's more interesting when we realize who he is. Michael and Darth Vader are virtually the same character for all intents and purposes. And yeah, both of them are interesting because of their desperate attempts to hang on to their humanity. & & & & -----signature-----& & & Alien, or There And Back Again: A Robot's Tale -my wife & & &
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	& & See, Vader is neutered in Return of the Jedi. There's very little edge to the character left, which is to the detriment of the film. The film would work better if Vader was still a threat, still a key player in how the story moves, as was Kasdan's original intent I believe. While I think he's emotionally gutted by the fact that his son would rather commit suicide than join him, it'd be more in character if that had manifested itself into unchecked malevolance and petulance, rather than the somber, whipped thing that you get. Michael, however, is fascinating in Part III - it's an almost pathetic attempt to reclaim the Michael that we were introduced to in the first film, but he's forever a monster due to what he did to Fredo. It's a pretty bold and daring place to take the character - no wonder people reject it. The villains in Part III are Donal Donnelly and Joe Mantegna and Eli Wallach and the like, anyway. & & & & -----signature-----& & & I'm way deep into nothing special. & & &
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	& & Don't: Bend over backwards to resurrect dead characters "Agent Smith was a great villain. Problem: He was destroyed at the end of the first Matrix. The Wachowskis' solution: come up with an elaborate techno-spiritual loophole that turns the baddie into a self-replicating computer virus! Resurrecting dead characters saps all the tension out of a franchise — if death doesn't stop them, what can? — which is why the shoulda-been-epic finale to the Matrix trilogy is just plain confusing." See Also: Barbossa and Jack Sparrow in Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End, Spock in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, the Ripley clone in Alien: Resurrection. Also, let's be honest: Gandalf was way cooler before he came back to life in The Two Towers. & & & & & & & &
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